"I just didn’t really want to look at him in the face," Jason Segel said of his 'Shrinking' co-creator and co-star Brett Goldstein.

After being a writer on season 1 of the Apple TV+ series Shrinking, former Ted Lasso star Brett Goldstein joined the cast for season 2, and he tells ABC Audio it wasn’t

Segel encouraged Goldstein to take on the role of Louis, a drastic departure physically and otherwise from the gruff, fully-bearded UK football star Roy Kent that he portrayed on the Emmy-winning “Ted Lasso” for three seasons.

While getting into character was understandably elaborate, in the spirit of Shrinking Season 1’s beloved therapy technique (a 15-minute cry to a moving song on repeat) Goldstein also shared his go-to sob anthem. “If you need to cry and you ain’t got time, quick! Whack on ‘Lately’ by Stevie Wonder,” the actor said with a chuckle.